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NAC Meeting This Week

By Keith Cowing
NASA Watch
December 1, 2015
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NASA Advisory Council Meeting
“Tuesday, December 1, 2015, 1:00 p.m.-5:00 p.m.; Wednesday, December 2, 2015, 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.; Thursday, December 3, 2015, 9:00 a.m.-11:00 a.m., Local Time.”

Keith’s 1:00 pm ET note: I just dialed in to NAC telecon at JSC. The agenda says that it starts at 1:00 pm. The agenda does not say ET or CT. But the Federal Register notice uses local times. That said, the operator says that it starts in 30 minutes i.e. 1:30 ET /12:30 CT. In other words they are going to be meeting for 30 minutes before anyone from the public knows that they are meeting. Stealth sessions are not supposed to happen – and FACA guidelines are being violated if this is true.
Keith’s 1:40 pm ET note: I dialed in and the operator connected me. Now there’s bad jazz from the 70s playing – but no telecon per the prior operator’s comments. Someone at JSC has an agenda up on Webex that says 1:00 start time. Of course, when the telecon starts half of the participants will not speak into their microphones or identify themselves. Or they will stand so far away from a mic as to be unheard. Typical NASA telecon coordination. SNAFU.

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5 responses to “NAC Meeting This Week”

  1. Todd Austin says:
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    Every time one of these ‘telecons’ pops up, I feel like I’ve travelled back in time to the ’70s.

    Decent video connections and streams (or audio, if you must) are not hard to set up and provide enormous benefits in productivity and outreach.

    Does NASA not have anyone on staff (or contracted) who has skills in this area? The general impression I get is that there is no one in charge of this and no one at the upper reaches who is aware of A) how crappy this is and the wasted opportunities it causes and B) how easy it would be to fix with a modest investment in people and infrastructure.

    • fcrary says:
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      The people in the room are completely unaware of the quality of the teleconference. On a JPL project, I noticed a dramatic improvement once people started calling in from their offices even though the conference room was just down the hall. That was when they started noticing things like side conversations near a mike, speakers facing away from the mike to point at a screen (which no one on the phone could see), etc. I’ve also noticed that some managers place high value on physical presence, and may feel anyone who can’t be there in person doesn’t really care about the meeting. That’s hardly a universal attitude, but some people do think that way.

      • Daniel Woodard says:
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        Other organizations hold high quality telecons with inexpensive commercial equipment. NASA has always had difficulty with things as simple as “open mikes” which cannot be located and blurry slides that cannot be read. Obviously in a telecon it should be possible for everyone to know who is speaking, and communication should be “push-to-talk” except for the speaker.

  2. Richard Brezinski says:
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    Both
    Gerstenmeyer and Scimemi seem to be equating ISS in 2015 to Shuttle around
    1985. They are both anxious to turn LEO (and ISS?) over to the private sector.

    Remember
    how turning Shuttle over to be operated by industry (STSOC) was going to save
    the government so much money and be so much more efficient. It didn’t happen.
    USA/STSOC knew how to make money from the government and they excelled at it,
    and Shuttle never improved; in fact I would go so far as to say it got worse.
    And at the same time all the NASA technical people were turned into contract managers
    with little genuine technical experience. Gerstenmeyer and Scimemi need to be careful
    what they wish for. And, by the way, despite the fact Shuttle was STSOC operated,
    it still came out of NASA’s budget.

    In fact
    the astronaut who kept speaking up about how astronauts needed to go to LEO to
    try out their space legs before going on lunar or Mars trips, sounds a lot like
    the Mission Operations Directorate at JSC around 1986-87. Engineering, life
    sciences and other organizations supporting Shuttle were all forced to give up their
    subsystem management functions, but when it came to JSC MOD they refused. So
    the program operated for 20years with a half NASA/MOD, half STSOC ops team-not
    efficient.

    As far as
    NASA getting out of the LEO business, not sure why they think that will or
    should come to pass. Of course Gerstenmayer and others want to build and fly
    new things and go to new places. But if you look at other industries like power
    and atomic energy, NASA could become the owner/operator of the ISS national
    orbital lab-oh wait, that is the current status. As an owner/operator it is probably a lot more
    efficient to maintain one large station rather than dozens of smaller ones,
    which is what they were talking about. If they are suggesting that Boeing or
    another contractor come in with a recommendation for taking over the operation
    from NASA, see paragraph 1.

    As far as
    the discussion about LEO commerce, one thing I never heard today was that the
    greatest barrier to payloads flying on ISS is still the lengthy, inconsistent
    and uncertain integration process for flying anything to ISS. This is a major
    cost driver. That is a problem that is clearly on Gerstenmeyer’s and Scememi’s
    plate to fix, and yet no indication they even recognize the issue.

    The same industries are still potentially interested today that were
    potentially interested 30 years ago. But industry is not interested unless (1)
    the industry is reasonably certain that whatever they are working on is going
    to fly in a reasonable time; (2) industry is not going to pay today’s exorbitant costs associated with transportation
    or operation.

    As far as no large station in earth orbit in the future, remember almost
    everyone, including the 1970s Outlook for Space committee and the MSFC late 70s
    station proposals called for smaller stations and in some cases only man-tended
    stations. JSC’s operations group led the charge for a full size, big station. For
    several years now NASA has been telling us that the size station we have now is
    about what is needed for a crew of 6, which is about the size crew you need to
    do anything at all-in fact with a crew of 6, about 5 of them are busy just
    maintaining and operating the system. Even if you have a man-tended
    mini-station, you probably want a manned station near-by to be able to do the servicing.
    If it is simply an unmanned platform flying on its own, then that is called a robotic
    satellite and shoudn’t enter into this discussion.

    Scememi
    seemingly had a good understanding or he was told, that in order to do things,
    you have to have a plan, you have to present it in a coherent manner and in the
    case of Congress and the US government, you have to actually ask them for what
    you want. So as far as Keith’s comment
    that the Congress thwarts every NASA attempt, has NASA presented a coherent
    plan? I’ve not heard it and today’s presentation could probably best be called ‘thoughts
    about a plan’; it wasn’t the plan.

    It was funny that CASIS barely came up today. As Keith has
    pointed out previously, CASIS does not seem to have any expertise in technical
    aspects of integration or operation, and they also seem to have few industry
    ties for developing new commerce in LEO. I think their role is doling out
    government money. So far it seems to be a one way flow. So what is their role?

    Scimemi seemed to say that architectures for lunar or Mars missions suggest
    that you do not want to start from earth orbit or return to earth orbit. That
    might be true if all your spaceships are single use throwaways in which all you
    return to earth with is a used up Orion command module. I’d be interested in
    seeing a comparison with other architectures that might want crews or Martian
    samples returning to earth orbit rather than to earth, or that might want to
    return a spacecraft to a parking orbit and use a minimal cost return to earth capability-probably
    something like a Dragon capsule.

    • Oscar_Femur says:
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      Of course, they never turned everything over to STSOC. Flight directors and shuttle crews were always NASA, as were approximately half the flight controllers.