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Russia's Pravda Cites U.S. Fears Of Chinese SETI Because of Flying Saucers

By Keith Cowing
NASA Watch
February 6, 2017
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Russia's Pravda Cites U.S. Fears Of Chinese SETI Because of Flying Saucers

USA concerned about China’s possible contact with extraterrestrials, Pravda
“John Hertz, former chairman of the board of trustees of the US-based SETI Institute (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) said in an interview with the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, that sending signals to alien civilization was dangerous. The expert added that it would be even more dangerous if China received a response from an extraterrestrial civilization. … Not that long ago, it was reported that three aircraft in China could not land at an airport in Sichuan because of an unidentified flying object. The airport administration denied landing boarding, fearing for the safety of passengers. The aircraft had to be redirected to other airports.”
Keith’s note: Too funny. Pravda (which is aligned with the Russian government) cites American fears about SETI signal detection and suggests that they are linked to a UFO that prevented commercial airline activity in Sichuan, China. Pravda mentions John “Hertz” and the SETI Institute. They might be referring to John “Gertz”. They seem to be referring to Gertz’s BIS paper (not an “interview”) Post-Detection SETI Protocols & METI: The Time Has Come To Regulate Them Both. This paper makes no mention of UFOs, airliners, or Sichuan but does say “Should the Chinese achieve an ET detection separately from Breakthrough Listen, it is unknown whether they would share the news with the rest of mankind or, alternatively, designate it a state secret.”
Gertz is worried that China might withhold information about a SETI contact. He goes on to say that “Pursuant to Article IX of the Space Treaty, METI [Messaging to Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence] would arguably be illegal. Consequently, on its face, it would seem that organizations or individuals attempting to conduct METI might be enjoined in a court of law.” He adds “However, the immediate release of the coordinates of a transmission begs an unauthorized and premature response. Religious groups might send their parochial messages, while Kim Jong Un might send his.” So it is not illegal to listen to E.T. but it is illegal to talk to E.T. – so who enforces this?
The purpose of SETI is to listen for messages from extraterrestrial civilizations – right? If sending of messages is illegal and thus prohibited then wouldn’t other intelligent civilizations adopt the same stance? If so why even do SETI in the first place? No one will be transmitting – and there will be nothing to listen to. Besides, its too late. We have sent two interstellar spacecraft out of the solar system with maps of how to find us – and we have been yelling “we’re over here” to the universe for a century via radio. Indeed SETI guru Frank Drake deliberately said hello to globular star cluster M13 from Arecibo in 1974. So Gertz et al are a century too late – and if Pravda is to be believed, E.T. has already found us. Beam me up.
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4 responses to “Russia's Pravda Cites U.S. Fears Of Chinese SETI Because of Flying Saucers”

  1. ToSeek says:
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    In Pravda’s defense, there’s no equivalent for “h” in the Russian alphabet (“x” is closer to the Scottish ch in “loch”), so it’s generally converted to a “g”. (“Hamlet” in Russian is “Gamlet.”) They might have reflexively back-converted even though they shouldn’t have.

  2. J Fincannon says:
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    Regarding Drake’s signal and assuming it is focused enough since it was at least sent by Arecibo, it is going to take 22000 years to get there.

    As to all the other radio signals sent for 100 years, since they are radiating in a sphere, the signal strength is zilch. Now for random terrestrial radar beams into the cosmos, perhaps the signal strength is a lot better. But those are random.

    • Daniel Woodard says:
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      Television transmissions are emitted in a flat disk horizontally, so it isn’t quite decreasing with distance squared, but the range of detection is quite limited, depending on the capability of the receiver. In contrast, if we knew exactly where to point the antenna, Arecibo could communicate with a similar instrument in the Greater Magellanic Cloud.

      • J Fincannon says:
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        “Greater Magellanic Cloud”
        163,000 light-years from Earth.
        Sounds like a boring conversation.
        Seems like we need something else like quantum communication.